Ok, I’ve noticed a lot of people finding this blog for Birding the Net. And because I’m such a nice person and want at least somebody to win the prize, I’m going to try to list some/all of the sites where you can find each of the birds that I’ve gotten so far. So far as I can find, there’s no rule against this. If there is, well, it’s mob rule. So there. In which case the other half will mob me and probably delete all these wonderful freebies. Also, the Audubon Society hasn’t gotten back to me to say no, so omission is as good as admission. Please note, I will follow the rules should they change while I’m not paying attention.
If you find a bird that I haven’t gotten, give yourself a pat on the back and please by all means return the favor to someone. Also, I realize this is long. It’s just going to get longer, so play nice and practice your skimming.
1. Florida Scrub Jay
If you don’t have this and you are still playing, you’re doing it wrong.
2. Rufous Hummingbird
If you don’t have this bird, visit audubon.org like I told you to earlier and quit whining. Or, if you have no patience (What? Birders with no patience? What is this, a contest with prizes?), find it at http://foodrepublic.com/2011/10/28/10-halloween-cocktails-without-candy-corn with it’s buddies holding a cocktail party.
3. Northern Cardinal
The clues:
Rufous Hummingbird– Clearly I’m a fan of plumage. But some birds go too far. Like that Northern Cardinal show-off on a popular ‘rocky’ site.
Rufous Hummingbird– The Northern Cardinal has been spotted again on http://slate.com, and he’s flying right today from the looks of things.
Rufous Hummingbird– Go @Cardinals! Does http://Slate.com have a sports section?
Scrub Jay– Roses are red, and Cardinals too! The Northern Cardinal is back on http://slate.com, just the way he should be.
Scrub Jay– I had no idea Northern Cardinal was such a smarty pants! I’ll ask what he’s been reading on Slate.com next time I spot him.
Scrub Jay– You guys!Today’s the last day to catch the Northern Cardinal http://slate.com. Go read up on some stuff and snag a bird.
Scrub Jay– Fresh from a World Series victory, the Northern Cardinal is back! He’ll be gracing us with his winning presence soon.
The goods:
The ‘rocky’ site is actually http://www.slate.com. You can find him at the top of the sports page. Also, Rangers rule ’til the end of time. So there.
4. Lewis Woodpecker
The clues:
Scrub Jay– Let’s start out easy, shall we? Where might you find Lewis’s Woodpecker? Well, the one spot you can find ALL us birds!
Rufous Hummingbird– Lewis’s Woodpecker is likely pecking away on Audubon.org as we speak. Lewis. A much more dignified name than Woody. Totes.
The goods:
You should also have this bird if you followed directions earlier. Go to audubon.org and look at the top left of the page. So, you weren’t good with directions, eh? Find this bird at http://foodrepublic.com/2011/10/28/10-halloween-cocktails-without-candy-corn with it’s buddies holding a cocktail party.
5. California Gnatcatcher
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://www.echomeanddesign.com/
http://www.wallsushi.com/
http://www.tonikellystudio.com/
http://killdeers.blogspot.com/
http://erie.wbu.com/content/show/5434
6. Prothonotary Warbler
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://audubonguides.com/index.html
http://garethkay.com/
http://www.katemerriman.com/
http://ncaudubonblog.org/
http://ssmbirding.blogspot.com/
http://ricainfranchouillard.blogspot.com/
http://tastytruth.com/
http://www.followthebirdie.com/blog1/birds/
http://www.wildbird.com/franchisee/mas/home
http://charmoffinches.blogspot.com/
http://dawnandjeffsblog.blogspot.com/
http://natureremains.blogspot.com/
http://www.minetor.com/travelbooks/Welcome.html
http://www.curtiscarmichael.com/audubons-birding-the-net
http://www.fortwilliamspark.com/
http://www.natureali.org/cbcs.htm
http://melissarobison.com/about/
http://www.alaska.net/~dlogan/
http://artisanwhisky.blogspot.com/
http://wendyandthelostboysband.com/
7. Scarlet Tanager
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://audubonguides.com/index.html
http://www.katemerriman.com/
http://idm-dc.com/site/
http://garethkay.com/
http://ssmbirding.blogspot.com/
http://ricainfranchouillard.blogspot.com/
http://tastytruth.com/
http://www.followthebirdie.com/blog1/birds/
http://www.wildbird.com/franchisee/mas/home
http://charmoffinches.blogspot.com/
http://projectpuffin.org/
http://dawnandjeffsblog.blogspot.com/
http://natureremains.blogspot.com/
http://www.minetor.com/travelbooks/Welcome.html
http://www.curtiscarmichael.com/audubons-birding-the-net
http://www.fortwilliamspark.com/
http://www.alaska.net/~dlogan/
http://artisanwhisky.blogspot.com/
http://wendyandthelostboysband.com/
8. Cerulean Warbler
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://ceebie.blogspot.com/
http://the-sassy-life.blogspot.com/
http://djringer.com/birding/
http://rightbrainfarts.tumblr.com/post/11376005102/oh-just-birding-the-net-with-audubon
http://erie.wbu.com/content/show/33178
http://smithwalkervideos.blogspot.com/
http://www.shedoesdesign.com/
http://ft-morgan.com/
http://ramillerphoto.com/
http://audreyafisher.tumblr.com/
http://seattleaudubon.org/sas/
http://wingedgecko.tumblr.com/
http://www.birdorable.com/meet/roseate-spoonbill/
http://ournextera.tumblr.com/
http://www.kidsinneed.org/
9. Lawrence’s Goldfinch
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://birdingadventures.com/
http://www.phoenixandfireworks.com/
http://www.ca.audubon.org/
http://www.gdiproductions.net/taj/
http://gulfoilspillrss.blogspot.com/
http://www.natureali.org/
http://azbirdbrain.blogspot.com/2011/10/birding-net.html
http://ornithreads.com/
http://blackwaterbirder.blogspot.com/
http://reckless-a-bandon.tumblr.com/
http://rikostan.com/news.php
http://hipsterbirders.blogspot.com/
http://birddiva.com/
http://www.thoughtfulliving.com/
http://www.cantonaudubon.org/
http://stanhopea.autrevie.com/
10. Yellow-headed Blackbird
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
http://14four.com/#/welcome
http://www.timhettler.com/
http://beidlerforest.blogspot.com/search?q=prothonotary
http://beidlerforest.blogspot.com/2011/10/audubon-is-birding-net.html?spref=tw
http://beidlerforest.blogspot.com/
http://www.thedebs.com/
http://standinginthesky.tumblr.com/
http://eaglesunaerie.blogspot.com/
http://florafaunafungi.com/
http://artisanwhisky.blogspot.com/
http://www.kern.audubon.org/
http://wildbirdsunlimited.typepad.com/the_zen_birdfeeder/
http://spatzie.tumblr.com/
http://www.k-cadventures.com/
http://savorymomentsblog.blogspot.com/
http://airportwildlife.com/
11. Wrentit
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
ny.audubon.org
http://weblog.lonelylion.com/
http://mattbangophotography.com/
http://midwestbackyardbirding.blogspot.com/
http://kellyinkstudio.blogspot.com/
http://standinginthesky.tumblr.com/
http://www.atlanticpuffins.com/
http://nm.audubon.org/index.html
12. Harris’s Sparrow
This one is a blog bird and can be found at the following known locations:
ny.audubon.org
http://weblog.lonelylion.com/
http://midwestbackyardbirding.blogspot.com/
http://kellyinkstudio.blogspot.com/
http://www.couponbillie.com/
http://standinginthesky.tumblr.com/
13. Spotted Owl
The clues:
Rufous Hummingbird– Birding: not a pastime for the impulsive. Keep looking and you’ll find bird you’ve been waiting for.
Scrub Jay– I met him once, you know. Spotted Owl. Okay, I’ll admit, I was a little starstruck! I hear he’s really into sports now.
Scrub Jay– Patience is a virtue, blah, blah, blah. Now, not being the most patient bird, I don’t like to admit this, but it’s true.
Scrub Jay– I’m not sure who’s going, but I hear that squirrel up at http://fark.com is having a few birds for a visit.
Scrub Jay– I met him once, you know. Spotted Owl. Okay, I’ll admit, I was a little starstruck! I hear he’s really into sports now.
Scrub Jay– OMG! I just spotted Spotted Owl! On hoopshype.com, kffl.com, and bigleadsports.com. Sigh…He’s so dreamy. I’m a lucky bird.
Scrub Jay– Birds and sports. What? It works. See for yourself at http://bigleadsports.com
The goods:
Hopefully you are a glutton for punishment as of now. You’ll need to oil up the F5 button on your keyboard, because this one is a rotating ad found on several websites.
http://www.fark.com (Please note, it’s probably not there anymore. I guess the answer for an old dog is to replace it with a new one. Please don’t do this to your dog. It’s mean.)
http://bigleadsports.com/
http://hoopshype.com/
http://www.kffl.com/
14. Acorn Woodpecker
The clues:
Rufous Hummingbird– http://Discovery.com? That’s a heckuva place for an Acorn Woodpecker. Isn’t that where they keep the lions?
Rufous Hummingbird— He’s a shy one, the Acorn Woodpecker. But he’s there, on http://discovery.com. It’ll take some looking, but you can find him.
Scrub Jay– You might find an Acorn Woodpecker on Animal Planet. But prob not American Chopper.
The goods:
By now, your finger should be bandaged from hitting refresh. Well, better start using the other index finger. This bird is also in the ad block of a website, in this case Animal Planet’s lion profile. Also, thanks to our lovely commenter(s), you can apparently find it elsewhere on the Discovery Channel website as long as the page has rotating ads.
You can also find this bird at http://www.audubonmagazine.org/ if you missed it the first time!
http://animal.discovery.com/mammals/lion/
15. Loggerhead Shrike
The clues:
Rufous Hummingbird– The squirrel calls him The Impaler. For obvious reasons. Really, it’s an off-putting habit.
Rufous Hummingbird– Any birder will tell you, you don’t just waltz into the woods and spot a Kirtland’s Warbler. You’ve got to watch and wait.
Rufous Hummingbird– It’s the bird you’ve been looking for. Making surreal art out of impaled bugs and lizards.
Scrub Jay– A bird’s got to do what a bird’s got to do, even if that’s impaling small creatures. He does love music.
Scrub Jay– In the words of one #BirdingTheNet fan: “Here, Shrikey, Shrikey!” At last, you can find him at a St. Petersburg museum.
The goods:
“Hi, my name is Vlad. I… Well, I.. Impale things, you see.” I can actually see this, sadly. On that note, I hope you like Fark as much as I do (I read it every day!), because you’re going to have to go back there and pull a Spotted Owl. The trick here is to take a break so you don’t get angry. Good luck!
In recent news, the shrike isn’t an ad bird anymore! It will, however, leave its perch on the page if you’re not watching closely, the little devil. Also, if you have never seen Un Chien Andalou, I recommend watching it since it’s getting near Halloween and features my mother’s favorite musical piece. Please note, it’s not for the faint of heart. Find the shrike you’ve been looking for at the Salvador Dali Museum.
16. Western Gull
The clues:
Rufous Hummingbird– Pigeon of the sea notwithstanding, you can find him with actual pigeons on the most bird-friendly site on the Internet.
Scrub Jay– I’ve heard people call them pigeons of the sea. And not in a nice way. I ask you, why’s everyone down on pigeons?
Find this bird on his profile page at http://getintobirds.audubon.org/western-gull. Just remember to be patient and wait for him to fly in.
If there is a website I’m missing or you’d prefer it if yours wasn’t on here, please by all means let me know. Cheers!
UPDATE: The second half of the list can be found here. Both lists will continue to be updated.
Batscapades 
Thank goodness for generous OCD bloggers! 🙂
For the Acorn Woodpecker, I also saw it on the mammals index page, and on the wild birds page, so it could show up anywhere on animal planet that rotates sidebar ads, I’m guessing.
A couple of tips to make all the refreshing not *quite* as annoying:
1) If you have a newer version of Firefox, you can set a page to auto-refresh on a schedule of your choosing: right click the page (control click on a Mac with a single button mouse), and choose “Reload Every” from the contextual menu, then choose your time preference and make sure “Enable: 30 seconds” (or whatever reload time you pick) is checked.
Put that window over to the side where you can see the ads when they reload, and go about your business, remembering to glance over when the ads change to see if you’ve struck bird gold.
To stop it from reloading when the bird card comes up, right click the page and unclick the “Enable: 30 seconds” at the top of the “Reload Every” menu. That’s why I had it set for 30 seconds instead of 15 – I was worried the bird would come up and I wouldn’t stop the next reload in time! Although the back button works for the birds, it seems.
2) Shrink the page so you can see all the ads, if there are some “below the fold” – in Firefox use the “View” menu and “Zoom Out.” Or control – (command – in a Mac). This helps the ads not feel so obtrusive, too – and in a laptop with a small screen, allows you to refresh without having to scroll down the page each time, too!
I hope those tips help keep it fun and less frustrating for folks! To be honest, though, when I’ve found my “reload birds,” it was not using either of these – I got lucky with the ACWO – it showed up the first time I went back to the lion (I had been there 2 days earlier when the lion hint first showed up refreshing like a madwoman and never found it!), and the Fark.com Owl and Shrike showed up “early” too – that is on the 2nd or 3rd round at that site each time. So I think taking a break and even closing the browser and starting over might help, too! Clearing the cache, trying different browsers – I’ve done all that.
And like batscapades said, take a break – it’s a game and supposed to be fun! Enjoy – and don’t forget to look at the real birds outside!
And now the Western Gull is showing up on its own profile page (or any of the “featured bird profiles” under Birding the Net on audubon.org) in rotation with the Rufous Hummingbird and Lewis’s Woodpecker – the gulls are pretty, too!
http://getintobirds.audubon.org/western-gull
I think the clues for the Western Gull are the ones for the Booby.
At risk of sounding mean, gulls are known as ‘pigeons of the sea’, while actual pigeons are called ‘flying rats’ around here. I thought that the remark that it could be found with other birds meant it was referring to the Audubon site. If that’s wrong and someone finds a booby with a pigeon, I’ll by all means update as soon as I can (which probably won’t be for a while; I’ve got classes and meetings coming up).
fond the booby
I think you are right. I found the Blue Footed Booby somewhere else.
Why don’t you have a birdhouse on THIS website? j/k
Thanks for sharing the info. You rock!
Bless you for listing these!! Now if I could just get those elusive ad-birds to show up….
No problem. Sharing means a better chance of people getting all the prizes. I would also look in the comments for more ad bird tips. Good luck!
Thanks for this. Not getting any emails from the contest even though I signed up. Any one want to do some trades? Find me on twitter at necessarywebs. Happy Birding!!!
Yellow-headed Blackbird – http://www.kern.audubon.org
and
Scarlet Tanager and Prothonotary Warbler – http://www.natureali.org/cbcs.htm
Thanks for all the help. I just found the new Shrike at http://thedali.org/
It’s a pleasure! Thanks for the tip!
http://www.alaska.net/~dlogan/
I added a house at my webpage! *SMILE*
thank you!!!
; )
You’ll find another Yellow-headed Blackbird at the Zen Birdfeeder: http://wildbirdsunlimited.typepad.com/the_zen_birdfeeder/
Hey! 😀 Snowy Plover at echomeanddesign.com! Flies in with Cerulean Warblers.
Snowy plover comes in with GNATCATCHERS at echomeanddesign.com. Sorry I’m new to this whole birding thing. 😦
Thanks! We are now updated!
Always trying to help a helpful birder. I dropped in the list cause I went to go see ‘The Big Year’ for the second time. That’s a good reason, though, right? That movie is awesome. 😉
Cerulean Warblers
http://wingedgecko.tumblr.com/
Yellow Headed Blackbirds
http://spatzie.tumblr.com/
Northern Spotted Owl: http://ecosalon.com/
thank you!!! luv those owls!!!
; )
I can’t find the Acorn Woodpecker at discovery.com or animalplanet. Is it still there?
Looks like as of yesterday, people were still getting it off the site. I know that doesn’t help much, but hang in there!
I found the Acorn Woodpecker by going from one animal page to another on Disovery. It showed up for me on the seal page. Good Luck
I followed this strategy, and the Acorn Woodpecker finally showed up for me on the Giant Panda page. (Now if I could just find that Cardinal…)
I clicked on every single mammal and still haven’t found the acorn woodpecker. Drat!
I have extra Snowy Plovers to trade if anyone has a Cardinal I really need one. Friend me on facebook. Facebook.com/vermfly
Pelican on birding the net splash page
Thanks for this wonderful list! Just FYI, the birdhouse on my website at http://www.minetor.com/travelbooks now only produces the Prothonotary Warbler card, even though the Scarlet Tanager continues to fly around. Everyone’s probably got these birds, though, so it’s not a tragedy.
I actually just visited to check on it, and both birds are still working for me on Firefox.
I noticed there seemed to be a delay or worse on many of the bird boxes when I visited sites. No birds; click on house and it would shift to right or left.
Thank you for this site! I don’t really care about winning, I just wanted to play but it was getting very frustrating.
THANK YOU for listing the sites! You’ve been a Godsend. I was about to stop playing because I was getting so frustrated! Real birding was never this hard! Thanks again.
found the redstart at a yellow headed blackbird site…
I can find the Shrike at dali.org but every time I click on it, the bird flies off the screen. I haven’t had any success in getting the Collect to appear. Any advise?
You should just have to roll over the shrike for the ‘collect’ card to appear. Have you tried on a different browser?
Hey, guys, I’m not near the desktop to update the blog, but you can find the Redstart with any site that has yellow-headed blackbirds, and the crane website is listed on Twitter (togethergreen.org). Unfortunately, no clues for the crane yet, though kudos to the lucky birder who shared!
Hi!! This is awesome. I started the game late, so I am in need of the Lewis & Acorn, the Northern Cardinal, & the Western Gull. I have no FB friends playing, but if anyone would like to friend on FB and trade, I have extras of others!!! Let me know! Also, haven’t found the Whooping Crane yet…. Good luck all! I’m @will1494 on Twitter.
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The Lewis isn’t @ Audubon. It’s just the Pelican, over and over… So, does anyone have a clue if there is another site for the Lewis? Also, anymore Acorn sites? I refreshed & reloaded all night last night and no woodpecker @ discovery or animalplanet!
The post has been updated as of now; my apologies. When they repost it, I’ll stick the link up top. Also, have you cleared your cache, tried doing the google search for birds, and then gone back?
http://togethergreen.org/
for the Whooping crane
Sorry, I feel like I’m 100 yrs old and new to technology! So, I cleared my history, is that my cache? :S Also, do you mean to say you can google the bird you are looking for and the site it is frequenting will come up as an option? Thanks so much! (I’m only 26….lol…but I’m not a smartphone-owning, experienced tweeter….just a bird nerd! so this is SOOO helpful!)
You’re totally fine. Clearing your history should also clear your cache. A box should open that says something like cache, cookies, search history, recent web history, etc. As long as cache is checked, you’re good (though it’s a good idea to clear cookies in general as well). The ads are optimized based on your interest, so if you google search for anything birding related (i.e. falcons, acorn woodpecker, birding, etc.), then go back to the website, the ads will think ‘hey, she likes birds; maybe she’d like an ad for a bird-related product.’ This makes it more likely the bird will come up quickly for you. Does that help?
I found a new acorn woodpecker on the Audubon magazine site…maybe a placeholder for the scoter? I have to work, so I can’t spend all day refreshing. Good luck everyone!
You are in fact correct! Try refreshing the page again to get your scoter!
I can no longer seem to get the western gull off http://getintobirds.audubon.org/western-gull. I only see the pelican, no matter how many times I dump my cache.
Yes! Thank you! I now have my ACWO & SUSC!!! 🙂 Now if I could just figure out the rascally Rufous & the Western Gull! When I go to the Audubon page, it’s still just the BRPE. Over and over, no matter what profile I’m on! Do you just have to watch the pelicans fly through for hours, until a gull pops up!?! Thank you!!!
Good deal! I’m not sure what they’ve done with the other two birds… Hypothetically they should still be hiding somewhere. As soon as we find them again, I’ll post on here.
I’m ready for some help. I can’t find the loon. Anyone know where it went?
Look under this post for its location.
http://www.stonyfield.com/ For the Loon. It was there a few minutes ago.
The shrike is back at fark.com.
did the cardinal get re-released?
yes!!! slate.com!!!! awesome!!!
; D
Baltimore Oriole is on http://deniselange.com/ Have to wait and look all over the page.
I hope so! I still need the Cardinal, the Western Gull & Lewis’s!!
I keep seeing tweets by @FloridaScrubJay that say some birds are back out. Then, reply tweets that say no they are not. I don’t find any species at Audubon now… Cache is cleared. I googled some birds so if they are ad-driven they know what I am interested in! Anyone having luck w/WEGU LEWO RUHU NOCA??
The very first bird I spotted was the Spotted Owl–I happened to be at pro-football-reference.com and saw it as one of the rotating ads. I think it is still there, but you’ll have to refresh repeatedly to see it.
Canton, Ohio Audubon has the Lawrence’s Goldfinch: http://www.cantonaudubon.org/
I picked up a number of my birds by looking at local Audubon sites.
Audobon.org has the gull!!!
; D
found a cardinal @ slate.com!!!! awesome!!!
The Rufous and the Lewis were only (to my scarce knowledge) released @ Audubon.org right? So, in theory, that would be where to look? But, though I DID learn how to clear my cache, to get the Gull today, I keep reloading to no avail. Still in search of the Lewis & Rufous! 🙂 Any help? PS- Thank you again, this is awesome bird nerd synergy!
RuHu and LeWo are kind of like the Audubon flagship “birdhouse” birds; they aren’t there now, but they should return to Audubon.org once the WeGu (what I see at Audubon today, 11/2) rotates OFF of Audubon.org (unless some new bird is released next). In contrast, when the WeGu or the BrPe or any non-birdhouse bird is on Audubon.org, it seems to be the only bird that appears on any of the Audubon.org pages for the next day or two. Check Audubon.org and clear you cache a few times a day, but you don’t really need to obsess with reloading there like you do when hunting for the “Ad” birds. From my experience, RuHu and LeWo are always on Audubon at the same time. If you can see one, you should be able to find the other if you keep looking around at different pages relating to BirdingTheNet.
just spotted the Rufous Hummer at Audubon.org!! what a treat!!!! kept looking, and got the prize!! thank you!!
found the woodpecker too!!! yay!!
Hi! I just found the Rufous, but then that green chalet lookin’ birdhouse came after the birch that had the hummer, and there was no woodpecker!! Any ideas? I cleared the cache, reloaded….do you have to wait a long time or go to a certain profile?
Look in the upper left-hand corner of the screen. The LeWo is a little shy…
I could just cry. I spent ALL day trying different things to get that damn woodpecker! And, at 6pm Central time…I think they changed it. Cuz now it’s those pesky pelicans that hang out ALL the time! ARHGHHH! Is there ANYWHERE else to find it? I just saw the RUHU all day, and then an “empty” diamond shaped green one. There was absolutely nothing in the left corner of my screen after hundreds of reloads and cache clears. They should really think of re-engineering this game for next year so there aren’t as many techy hoops to jump!
I am having a hard time finding the Shrike. Anyone have info?
Try looking at the second post on here. 🙂
I live in Emmaus Pa. where the snow has caused severe power outages(still ongoing for many) and I was just able to get on my computer for the first time since Saturday morning. Thanks to this page I was able to catch up and get back in the game. Thank you so much.
No problem! I’m glad you got power back on. Also, I expect to see a link to some awesome pictures if you win the trip. 😉
The Western Gull is no longer at http://getintobirds.audubon.org/western-gull, that’s now a good place to go for the Lewis’s woodpecker.
Can’t find that Western Gull anywhere, not even on audubon’s site, no matter how often I clear my cache.
that’s weird Linda…because I just found him at http://getintobirds.audubon.org/western-gull….maybe you can try again! hope that helps!!
; )
I finally caught-up thanks to your cheat sheet.:)
anyone know where the Atlantic Puffin may be?? hmmmmm~
Google: ProjectPuffin.com in Audubon page Click every puffin there
Thank you so much, I had a ton of fun finding all the birds with your help! Deciphering the clues was hard.
Lewis woodpecker is being elusive – any suggestions?
Thank you so much for this invaluable tool!! However, I was a little worried this morning thinking some information might have been lost that held clues for todays game. You only have 31 birds, but after going through your list , the plover & magpie are both listed as #31. Thanks again
I was told there would be no math! All fixed. Thanks for noticing! 🙂
There’s certainly a great deal to learn about
this subject. I love all the points you’ve made.